Mr. Mickey: How did you get into this business?
Avi Dar: I was a hairdresser in
Israel when I met adult film director Michael Lucas, who was looking for people in Israel and went to do an audition. I met him and I think
he loved it. He told me 'You're in!'
AD: I did the Men of Israel in Jerusalem, oh my god... I remember this.
MM: Men of Israel was shot
MM: You're in that sort of old building, not like the temple on the mount, but in an older place.
AD: I loved filming in an older place like that. You can see Jerusalem through the windows. It was very nice.
MM: You do great things
in Israel, very spiritual. You grew up on a kibbutz?
But with a kibbutz, you know, everybody is working for one. Everybody is working together. My
father is a farmer.
MM: A fireman?
AD: A farmer.
MM: A farmer. Okay.
MM: On the tractor?
AD: Yes, on the tractor.
MM: I think it's a good idea. You could direct your first movie.
AD: Yeah, so.
MM: So was there any gay
life in the area?
AD: No. It's difficult in Israel to be gay. If you're not
living in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem or a big city. I think Tel Aviv for
gay people is more comfortable. [Outside of there], it's old thinking.
You know what I mean? It's good for [gays] to go to Tel Aviv because it
is a community for gays. So if you go out to the club and you walk the
street, it's not a problem. It is very open for lesbians, gays, and transsexuals.
MM: And that's where you
went? To Tel Aviv? Or did you go to Jerusalem?
AD: I chose Tel Aviv because I had a business there for three years doing hair and taught for seven years on how to cut hair. I opened my first business
there when I was 22. It was nice, but I stopped because I was starting
to lose the passion. It's not for me. I love to do porn.
MM: Why do you love it?
AD: I love it because you learn how to understand yourself,
how to feel comfortable with yourself. You learn how to not be afraid
of what you have in your body.
MM: So, the way the sex
scenes work, do you ever have to do anything you don't want to do?
Is there a script that says 'now you kiss, now you do oral' or is it more
AD: It's very natural. All the movies -- that's why I love to
do work with Michael. It's all sexy, natural. He tells you only a couple details
before you do the session. That's all. That's why, when you do the
film, you don't feel shame. When you feel shame, people see that. You
need to give it to the camera, to the people who need to feel 100%. For
me, I also speak with the person before I have sex with him to make me more
attracted to him. I can't just have sex, because I feel nothing. I need
to speak with him to see if he's good person and if he has good eyes
and a good smile. And Michael knows how to choose the boys very nicely,
especially with me. I like good eyes, a good smile, and intelligence.
I like people with intelligence -- it makes me feel more horny.
MM: Is there like a favorite
scene that you've done or a favorite partner you've worked with?
AD: My favorite is the last
one I did. Wilfred. Wilfred is very romantic. He's very... he knows
how to touch, how to speak. I told him what I didn't like and he very much knows
what he's doing. He was my last session.
MM: What movie is that for?
MM: I haven't seen it.
I have it. I'll watch it.
its very very hot. When I see it, I look at myself and I say 'I love
MM: So you said that 10
years is kind of your limit for something. Do you think that you'll
last that long doing porn? Or will you keep doing it as long as you like it?
AD: When I feel I'm done,
I'll tell myself it's done. But I don't feel that now. I know
how to do [porn] perfectly. I know how to do it with my eyes closed. But porn
is like modeling -- you can't do it when you're forty.
MM: Come on.
AD: It's like modeling. Someone can't model until they're 45
or something unless they're very famous. I know a couple people like
that. But it's the same. And when I feel, it's the end I will tell
Michael that. He totally understands it.
MM: And what made you come
to New York? To do more porn or to do...
AD: Michael told me
to come here and told me he wanted to do more films because
people love how I look. He told me he would find me a place
to live, because before coming here, I didn't speak English. Nothing,
nothing. [I could say] Hi. And he told me not to worry, and he found me a house and I told myself 'Okay, I need a change in my
MM: Had you ever been to New York?
AD: No, its my first time.
AD: Yeah. its my first time.
It's a lot.
MM: How long have you been
AD: How much am I here?
MM: When did you come to New
AD: Two months ago. I'm studying English in school. Before I came
here, I didn't study English and now I study English every day.
And Michael told me 'Avi,
you need school, good school,' and I told him I wanted to go because I need
something to do in the morning for myself. I'm a morning person. It's good for
me to wake up and do something.
MM: And what do you think
of the men in New York? Are they better than Israel? I think New York
is great because there is such a variety.
AD: New York is better. You have all the types. You can choose. You have the
younger, you have the older. In Israel
they are very friendly, but very shy. It's not
like here. Here people aren't shy. Here, if they want you, they come
to you. They're not scared of what you say. If you
don't want [one guy], you go to the next one. Better luck.
MM: Are you shy?
AD: No. I'm okay to walk in the street naked. With guys
here, it's 100% different from Tel Aviv. You're not shy, you're very
open for everything. But,
you know, it's hard to form relationships here because there are too
many guys. Relationships in Israel are not difficult because we don't
have too many guys there. Here, everybody is everywhere in everyone.
You sleep with this man, and this, this, this, and this man. But
in some parts of Israel it is very open for gays. In the past five
years, it has become very different. People have started to love gays
because of television. Before, people in Israel thought 'Oh gay, it's a
problem. He has HIV' and all this stuff. [Being gay] was like a disease. And now, Israel is more open
because [when a straight character on TV loves a gay person] people say 'Oh, we
can love this person. Oh, he's gay and its not problem.' New York is
like Tel Aviv because everybody comes here -- transsexuals, everyone.
And I love to go out here. I love the nightlife here.
MM: Where do you like to go?
AD: Splash, 57.
Fridays, I go to Rocket.
MM: I don't know Rocket.
AD: Rocket is 56th
street between 7th and Broadway. I have a friend here from Israel who goes there and everybody knows him, so I am now
starting to know people. But I don't want to eat all the cake, you know?
I'm enjoying what I'm doing. And I love New York.
MM: And New York loves you.